tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post2880256257008876343..comments2023-06-08T07:49:15.867-05:00Comments on The Reformed Gadfly: Some Just Never Get ItTim Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-40163439968975988682008-02-23T23:07:00.000-06:002008-02-23T23:07:00.000-06:00(. . .pssssssttt. . .be vewy vewy quiet!. . .)(evi...(. . .pssssssttt. . .be vewy vewy quiet!. . .)<BR/><BR/>(evidently Billy is still out and either unable or unwilling to answer my question about how Jesus used “water” to transition to the spiritual realm in John 4...or maybe he's out offering small appliances to people so later he can switch from the bait of HDTVs and Xboxes to the gospel. Who knows? At least he said he thought the video of Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-39953814128191576802008-02-21T20:02:00.000-06:002008-02-21T20:02:00.000-06:00Brian:Cute. But you really need to get past that n...Brian:<BR/><BR/>Cute. But you really need to get past that nail biting thing...Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-40094943507829434762008-02-21T19:53:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:53:00.000-06:00*Thanks for the civility. I got off to a bad start...*Thanks for the civility. I got off to a bad start with you when I was cynical, critical, and condescending (how 'bout that for alliteration?).*<BR/><BR/>Thank you for being forthright about that.Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-58938769914770807992008-02-21T19:51:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:51:00.000-06:00Of course He was thirsty! But he also used it to s...Of course He was thirsty! But he also used it to swing from the natural to the spiritual.<BR/><BR/>Again, relative to the video, what do you see the Sower doing?Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-42029629847303329752008-02-21T19:45:00.001-06:002008-02-21T19:45:00.001-06:00Call me crazy, but I'm figuring after a morning wa...Call me crazy, but I'm figuring after a morning walk on a hot, dusty road, Jesus was REALLY thirsty. And...are you arguing FOR deception in our witness? I know that you are not. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for the civility. I got off to a bad start with you when I was cynical, critical, and condescending (how 'bout that for alliteration?). I'm checking out for the evening. I'll check your blog Billy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13979167378414984612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-87730241438556288762008-02-21T19:45:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:45:00.000-06:00Just to clarify, my last comment in reference to t...Just to clarify, my last comment in reference to the Parable was in response to your post about the video...Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-14472391829325936522008-02-21T19:42:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:42:00.000-06:00Ok, let's try to answer that.Recall the Parable of...Ok, let's try to answer that.<BR/><BR/>Recall the Parable of the sower. What did the sower do?Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-12747164774066527132008-02-21T19:39:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:39:00.000-06:00"why didn't you share with the Schwann's woman imm..."why didn't you share with the Schwann's woman immediately?"<BR/><BR/>I already addressed that in my post to Rhea.<BR/> <BR/>As far as baiting, was Jesus guilty of being disingenuous and "baiting" when he asked the woman at the well for a drink of water?Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-89980058645475761432008-02-21T19:22:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:22:00.000-06:00OK, I watched. What did I see? Nobody offended (...OK, I watched. What did I see? Nobody offended (which I never claimed to be an issue - the gospel is by nature offensive), nobody invited to Christ, and nobody visibly affected. Will they be? Sure hope so. But they were on camera. How did that affect their response?Billy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13979167378414984612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-3036758236298075252008-02-21T19:10:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:10:00.000-06:00Sorry, missed your comment about the video. I'll ...Sorry, missed your comment about the video. I'll watch it.<BR/>I'm not worried about offending people, BTW.Billy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13979167378414984612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-77893688500422981772008-02-21T19:08:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:08:00.000-06:00Tim, You said, "'earn the right to speak'? I'm not...Tim, <BR/>You said, "'earn the right to speak'? I'm not arguing against that. 'Getting trust'? I agree with that. But it only takes a few minutes.<BR/>And that is precisely my point."<BR/><BR/>As I have stated 4 times previously, I am convinced trust CAN occur quickly. Can we please put that one to rest?<BR/><BR/>If you guys are looking for me to disagree, you're not going to get it here. I do Billy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13979167378414984612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-66943897630946071732008-02-21T19:06:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:06:00.000-06:00I would say I am "monopoly" but that is no good, I...I would say I am "monopoly" but that is no good, I could say I am "operation" but my funny bone is hard to get out sometimes, how about if I say I am "Old Maid?" No, that doesn't work. Let's see, I could be "Chutes and Ladders" yeah, that's it. Chutes is like putting your trust in Jesus to save you and the ladders is like our climb to heaven on that glorious day!!<BR/><BR/>in answer to your pastorbrianculverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07325788116682801754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-10029799396383476722008-02-21T19:01:00.000-06:002008-02-21T19:01:00.000-06:00Brian:Let's arrange to go out and do a video or tw...Brian:<BR/><BR/>Let's arrange to go out and do a video or two. The weather is warming up in a few days.<BR/><BR/>Let's do some cold evangelism and film it. I can post it here. <BR/><BR/>Are you game?Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-71324619971290283492008-02-21T18:46:00.000-06:002008-02-21T18:46:00.000-06:00Billy?Billy?Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-16732490838304869362008-02-21T18:21:00.000-06:002008-02-21T18:21:00.000-06:00it definitely does work.I have met so many people ...it definitely does work.<BR/><BR/>I have met so many people in the past year, it is really exciting. I am normally a shy, somewhat introvert, but when it comes to sharing the gospel with someone, I am not bashful at all.<BR/><BR/>Let me give you a few examples...<BR/>a girl at college -- she was in the hallway and I was there too, she said, "hi" and I said "hi" back to her. We talked about the pastorbrianculverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07325788116682801754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-38748159738482883682008-02-21T17:52:00.000-06:002008-02-21T17:52:00.000-06:00Billy:And I do the same with people I meet at McDo...Billy:<BR/><BR/>And I do the same with people I meet at McDonald's and elsewhere that I haven't seen before...and it works!<BR/><BR/>I do this meeting people when I walk my dog, and it works. Is that a "you both stand on a sidewalk" excuse?<BR/><BR/>No. Of course not.<BR/><BR/>Do you have an explanation for them as well? <BR/><BR/>I'm starting to think you are just *wanting* this to not work.<BR/Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-444477037812897202008-02-21T17:42:00.000-06:002008-02-21T17:42:00.000-06:00Thank you, Rhea. What the main problem is, is this...Thank you, Rhea. <BR/><BR/>What the main problem is, is this tendency for many to get worried about "offending" people. Our society places a premium on being politically correct and therefore non-offensive. Professing Christians have bought into this.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I have <I>never</I> had anyone be offended when I talk to them. Their body language is all positive. They look me in the eye Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-74774640849567250262008-02-21T17:35:00.000-06:002008-02-21T17:35:00.000-06:00Your original question was about a guy on the stre...Your original question was about a guy on the street. Your Schwann's lady isn't some Sue on the street, even if you have only known her for 2 days. There's a basis for a relationship - business. I said earlier God seems to be working big-time in the marketplace.<BR/><BR/>And of course that's trust! You cared - genuinely. She believed you cared. That's the basis of trust. As I've tried to Billy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13979167378414984612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-13512794777129095172008-02-21T16:18:00.000-06:002008-02-21T16:18:00.000-06:00Thanks for the clarification.Funny you should thin...Thanks for the clarification.<BR/><BR/>Funny you should think that way. It was maybe two hours ago or less that I called my Schwann's delivery person. I did so because I didn't have an order ready.<BR/><BR/>Mind you, I had only met her two days ago, and here I am calling her and she said "That's ok, my doctor said I should stay home anyway because of a health issue".<BR/><BR/>I asked her "May I Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-29930385535662261872008-02-21T15:20:00.000-06:002008-02-21T15:20:00.000-06:00In your 8:46 post on 2/20, you asked if you would ...In your 8:46 post on 2/20, you asked if you would earn the right to speak by listening "fairly quickly". That's what I replied "Probably not" to on my 10:19 post of 2/21.<BR/><BR/>Anywho, I've got two more counseling sessions and a hospital visit. I'll reply tonight or tomorrow. Probably the latter.Billy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13979167378414984612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-82463839987470774872008-02-21T15:06:00.000-06:002008-02-21T15:06:00.000-06:00An aside: (the contradiction was:"we listen to ear...An aside: (the contradiction was:<BR/>"we listen to earn the right to speak" then later you said "probably not" when I asked if listening helps gain the right to speak).<BR/><BR/><BR/>Anyway:<BR/><BR/>"just ask them if you can tell them your story."<BR/><BR/>But remember, *they* are their own favorite subject. So, we keep the focus on *them*. Let *them* talk about *themselves*. Personally, if I Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-47484265889657884752008-02-21T14:46:00.000-06:002008-02-21T14:46:00.000-06:00Well, I've reread what I wrote and I don't see whe...Well, I've reread what I wrote and I don't see where I contradicted that, but I'll let that go. It's kinda immaterial.<BR/><BR/>Honestly, I can see that working. They'll probably take the bait. But I've got a fundamental problem with "bait and switch". We have no real interest in a quiz or their answers. And they'll figure that out very soon. If you sense you need to share the gospel, just Billy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13979167378414984612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-56110677752741736962008-02-21T14:29:00.000-06:002008-02-21T14:29:00.000-06:00"But my point is that listening is a great way - b..."But my point is that listening is a great way - but not the only way - to earn trust, which is the key to getting a genuine hearing."<BR/><BR/>But earlier you contradicted this....<BR/><BR/>Anyway, What do you think would happen if you approached someone you didn't previously know, asked them questions about themselves for five minutes (or maybe even less), chuckled together, and then said Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-87765440936623002862008-02-21T13:49:00.000-06:002008-02-21T13:49:00.000-06:00To me, the issue is trust. That can be developed ...To me, the issue is trust. That can be developed quickly or slowly, as circumstances dictate. Listening is key to developing trust. Other things can develop trust as well (serving, etc.). Obviously, I'm not communicating too well...I've got a sermon that I'm working on that I'm not doing too well communicating either:)<BR/><BR/>But my point is that listening is a great way - but not the only Billy Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13979167378414984612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33409962.post-34307134485190576482008-02-21T12:02:00.000-06:002008-02-21T12:02:00.000-06:00To the others who are leaving comments, rest assur...To the others who are leaving comments, rest assured I got them. I'll post them a bit later...Tim Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06771868540726222826noreply@blogger.com